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Dr. David Chao converses with Dr. Kathryn Gin Lum, Associate Professor of Religious Studies at Stanford. They discuss the content of Dr. Kathryn Gin Lum’s new book: Heathen. Mainly, the book displays how the religious idea of the heathen in need of salvation undergirds American conceptions of race. While the term “heathen” fell out of common use by the early 1900s, the term’s influence on racial categories persists today.

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